proposals of mitt romney and president obama, together you would have a patriotic plan where you're removing some of the benefits of the lower people the last 10, 15 years and then, we would have higher revenues cross the board and that would lower the deficit the most, and the other things in this that are not particularly patriotic. a lot of the obama proposals think there's a small group that can fix the problems. the thing with the car thing, we all have to pay a higher gas tax and help the deficit, and have the cars making 80 miles per hour and we're the ones driving far. >> you say you want to wave the flag for patriotism, you say there's something to it? >> yeah, sure, first of all, you've got to give the guy a nod. here is a guy that the right wing loons have been calling manchurian candidate from kenya the last four years and kind of amusing to watch him waving old glory in their faces, but i will share some, something-- >> yeah, how amusing is it to see our debt go higher? >> oh, well, i'm not sure that either of these candidates has taken anything terribly serious about the debt.